Groin Strikes

[osrkd_101]

i wonder how this is commone knowledge? i mean, i'll ask around but i doubt i know of too many people who would know what this particular strike targets.

[Rickster]

osrkd_101 wrote:

i wonder how this is commone knowledge? i mean, i'll ask around but i doubt i know of too many people who would know what this particular strike targets.

It is common knowledge among martial arts and the medical field that critical damage to the groin can have devastating results.

[Rickster]

Haust wrote:

Why don't you go visit the hospitals and ask them about it?

Good point. In the past, I was questioning why every martial art school teaching self defense look upon this strike as a magic bullet. A strike they put a lot of faith into. I knew a few EMTs and ER medical staff so I dared to ask-discuss. Although at first, they looked upon me with a odd facial expression. Good thing I knew them. But upon my explanation, they thought that such a strike will come from chance as the chances of it happening in their fields were more upon athletics and not fisticuff. In other words, they treated people with these injuries not from fighting, but athletics.


To Reiterate;

Opening Thread Title:

Groin Strikes

Opening thread post(s)

1.) Accurate, easy, or lucky shot?

2.) What are your observations or opinion?

Well, ask yourself the question; How many people have you seen

A.) get struck effectively there-defensively and not move or continue

B.) attempts made

C.) attempts accounted.

D.) Percentage of successful hit per defense and/or verses accident-atheletic.


*edited for spelling*<br><br>Post edited by: Rickster, at: 2010/01/12 06:11

[Rickster]

lowkickr wrote:

I wonder why your so preoccupied with subject.<br><br>Post edited by: lowkickr, at: 2010/01/11 12:54

??

However, to use proper decorum and good content;

It is like any other subject. Something to discuss. Could we say we are preoccupied with other subjects as well?

*edited for spelling*<br><br>Post edited by: Rickster, at: 2010/01/12 06:56

[MadPanda]

If you are in danger and need to escape an attacker then I say go for the groin shot. It may not be the most technical move but it will get the job done...there are no rules on the streets, aim for the most vital parts of the body and get away if you feel your life is in danger. Protect yourself at all costs!

[pennmartkd]

Anyone ever watch Enter the Dragon? I believe John Saxon took out Bolo with a groin shot.

That said, it's a great hit. Agreed it can be missed depending on the circumstance and people can fight through it. However, we've all seen folks dropped with it. And while it can be lethal, I doubt many of us have seen someone killed by it (Enter the Dragon excpeted). Personally, I think it's a great target. I grazed a guy with a finger whip one time and you've never seen someone drop so fast.

[shisoshin]

penmarktkd is right, aside from smashing testicles [or for that matter ripping them off] it only takes a 'flick' to the testes to cause sudden contraction of the two long thin
muscles suspending the testes.. like a 'cramp' in your thigh, magnified in these thin suspensory muscles [which can be trained with dedication, to lift the testes up]
even a snapping 'backfist' type strike with the backs of the fingers[esp index and first] can have this nice effect, which can give you precious seconds..

in any karate ryu using gedan barai [low level parry] usually taught as a sweep to a kick, meaning includes groin strike..
any karate strike using fist form[s] also includes the same strike with open hand forms, including back of hand or fingers..
a groin strike mentioned by jules earlier, using open hand palm/fingers [in sepai] is taught as a 'slapping snap strike'
which also includes, as does open hand palm strike to the ear, grabbing of whatever is struck [ear, or testicles]..
in upending an attacker using force to his face/eyes/neck or upper torso/arm together with counter force
]such as in lifting his captured kicking leg] that meaning also includes, lifting his lower torso/pelvis by grasping
anything, in that area, that can be taken hold of, gripped and lifted strongly..

goju kata contain other groin attacks including shuto form to get in there and 'knock on the door' knuckle form,
also a point of the palm heel[the outer corner near the wrist] to the groin which is a strong strike continuing into
a repeat on the other side, where the lower strike continues into an upper rearward sweeping uke which also means
striking his groin as, he moves into you, continuing thru his legs and lifting him over your head [to throw down etc]..

kururunfa kata second sequence contrasts strong round uke forms with a very strong downward strike[uke [against knee]
combined with a very fast groin strike from a chest high position [showing go and ju in combination] which any gojuka
must realise means that groin strikes have different variations and effects, and are important..

if you dont include groin attacks in whatever you do, sport say, then these real strikes in the kata may go unnoticed
or not appreciated for their worth.. yet even the sporting people with experience know that even 'accidental' strikes
incl kicks to testes can be very effective, and dangerous..
okinawa goju karate is a pragmatic ma which means that whatever has withstood the test of time in it
has genuine application in real attacks.. it would be a shame for ma to not consider testes as a valid target..

in practicing with friends etc, think of every uraken 'backfist' strike to his hairline as an eye strike, with backs of fingers..
in every downward uke or barai think of it also as a strong smash into his groin.. even if he has a 'groin protector'..
every round kick to his upper thigh, inner if you have good control and focus, as also practicing into his groin..

goju generally protect the testicles [our group wear no, protective gear] but in preparing a young woman for her black belt
grading we practiced multiple attacks on her, simulating reality, so i came in throwing a big round 'tyson punch' as they do,
crossing the gap as they do, and thus opening my groin, as they do stepping toward you, when her well trained foot
snapped into my then exposed testes and down i went.. like a conscious 'knockout' response..
knees just collapsed, never experienced that before.. they kept up the attack, of course, and she kept defending
obviously, and i stayed on the floor.. excellent lesson learned there that night..

and, incidentally, you dont, need to set up snap groin kicks with specific stepping in as someone said earlier,
the snap kick off the front foot, especially when 'floating' in nekoashi [cat foot] position comes off the floor into the groin..
you may even be stepping back, away from his incoming attack, weight back onto your rear leg..
to get you he must cross that gap.. thus he must open his legs in stepping, even a small step..
the kin geri ['treasure or jewels kick'] is 'made for' the very fast response to his crossing the gap attack..
obviously, this form and use has been well established and tested thru genertions of gujuka and others
whose ryu includes actually kicking and striking in their training..

like everything, of course, the waza and movements must be understood and practiced over and over
to create the skilled and effective karate waza.. this is the waza of all goju waza which i specifically
taught to my three goju trained daughters.. fathers of daughters will understand the meaning there