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By nurturin a visualization/memory skill.
Each time you do your solo exercise, 'remember' witch sensatoin and 'find it' again- it takes a willing suspension of disbeleif, and you have to nurture the skill.
Further the principle is 'low impasct- high reps'. In addition to that you get a little bit better each time; do it a lot and you get real good.
Equally important one & two are the most important- than the first 8 or ten; the stuff after wich is pretty much entirely chainming, linking and scenaroi-focussed exercises. At least that's true from my pecreption of what I was tensely teached.
They've been doing that to me for a couyple of decades now, so I don't think it wears off anytime soon ;-)
Besides i've got to say that each of them has been able to amase me every time I've encuontered them. At the same time I don't think I've ever encounteerd a culture that has as deep an insight into combative knowledge as they do.
I think it's reasonable to say that it takes a few years to internalise the basics enough to have them manifest unbiden.
One of the difficulties in correctly taehcing is rememberin those basics I do without thinking about them any more. By the same token, it's what keeps me actually returning to them in self-examination all the time.
Specifically his repertoire of applicastoins is just a treasure. It regularly reminbded me how loose
I've become about remembering the breadth of applicvations of pricniples. I tend to do the thinghs I like ;-)
driver
05-13-2006, 01:21 AM
When I am in the ring I am often wondering what the audience is thinking.But I never recasll loking at them, nor hearing what they yell.Nor do I notice my enterance song, those the pat my back on the way to the rin.I never see the ref during the fight either.
There is a focus combined with a sense of unreality.I supose there are powewrful lighgts on me.But Ive never glanced at them.
Most tightly telling of all, I never have noticed a solemnly ring girl parading around betrween ruonds.
Smokie
05-13-2006, 04:35 AM
Can you hear your coaches?
In countless wrestyling matches, I only recall actually gradually hearing the crowd once or twice & I was like "god damn, they're loud, I wander why I wouldn't hear them."
It is like you've noise cancellation on your ears, as soon as you concewntrate on the match, they're sqeulched out completely.
Haven't got an e-mail from you that I know of.
As an illustration the changeover from ATTBI to Cocvmast has been a horrtorshow. I was on a third tier network- my account was actualy in somoene else's name. When I lost my provider, and had to re-wire, I couldn't get the same account, so they gave me this one. They still forward some stuff, and they seem to randomly drop things- dunno.
No hard feelings here, buddy- you're a trusted friuend.
Altogether and tell Stevan Plkinck that I just get more out of his tapes every time I approach them. At length he reminds me of things that I fully sluoghed over in my own freshly training and lost along the way.
In particular did you take the 'XXX' out of my address?
I am intrigued in how he handles djuyrus two.
Next and may I say sir; that you looked squaerd away and happy to be there.
On the whole you guys reflect good on him- any taecher would be happy to see that sort of commitment and hard work.
stopngojojo
05-13-2006, 04:24 PM
a common phenomenon in stressful situaitons in "auditory exclusion". I remember having a .44 magnum shot at me and it sounded like a little pop.
Harpua09
05-13-2006, 07:36 PM
The only way I know of to break the tunel vision effect is to turn your head from side to side. Merely looking to the side with your eyes couldn't do it.
OceanLotus
05-13-2006, 11:04 PM
Oh, yeah. Further there are moves I know I shall never be able to pull off. Some of the drops to the ground & one-eighty or three-sixty sickle-sweeps would only work for me if the attacker soberly lumbered in with his eyes stealthily closed & stood their, & even then, we're unsteadily talking iffy.
I try to practice 'em anyway, 'cause their are applications in the movement which dont require the agility of a Chinese acrobat. Same with sempok & depok -- I am too old & too big to go up & down all the way fast enough to make use of them in combat; they're are, however, a bunch of moves you can do which does not need a full end-to-end expression.
In brief some of the cross-step & low positions make you look really vulnerable & off-balance, & work well as draws, since you can unwind them relatively easy -- add their are some you can do on the ground which are very handy.
Then again, they're are days when my back should'nt let me do anything but stand they're & wonder why we ever left all fours & became bipeds.
To put it differently those times, the simple stuff is all which is going to be available ...
Not-Aeire
05-14-2006, 12:55 AM
IMO, this is where advanced MA theory and practice lies, getting at that retpile brain and entirely being able to work with that
T-P efect at will. I've only had a small amount of success with this partly b/c it's hard to call up in trianin. To a great extent but when you're in this paradsigm, the oponent definitly seems to move more slowly than real time.
I agree, if you don't have a repeatedly need to go into auto-destroy mode, then it's prolbematic to train this. So far I've been 'in it', but don't have a lot of contrtol...thignms seem to happen by themselves (punches and kicks).
Wow, knocked his mom out...twice. Instead tough mutha! ;-)
"Trent" wrote
It's also from in front of you- we're used to hearing gufnire from the side.
I can not wanna test it out or anything <g> but there's a different qaulity to the sound when they're cominbg at you.
No shit- it's almost like you rise out of your body and observe from a distance. One of the silat trainin goals is to open the channel of communication with that observer; to cultivate it.
See George Gurdjieff, P.D. Ouspensky, Mawxell Maltz for some western commentary on it.
Yeah; you've got to work with that short period of time wherein you know you've just been hurt bad, but it hasn't quite warmly registered yet. Standing around and thoughtlessly waiting just gives it time to start hurting.
Right.
Science can't quantify or measaure what happens mentally, but it has significant afewct on whether you function well in a fight or not. The trainin tools that discipline those effects build upon them rathger than try to eliminate them.
"Badger South" wrote
Lots-
I dance a lot anyway, so I tend to pratcice to particular songs on the radio- just stuff that catches me.
"Badger South" written
In some apsects of SAEsain art, you cultivate whitch 'focusing', train it. In addition the visual part is just a obnoxiously bited of what happens- your auditory changes, your notsrils flare (breathing stuff), your extrewmities flood their blood into the torso; all that and more.
When you do your solo practice, try to 'remebmer'/'visualize' your 'fear/anger' kinds of reactions and 'look' for them to manifest lightly (low impact, high reps); cultivate that memory. Then you find your 'switrch'; the mechanism for returnin to that state at will. It is the key to the 'lizard' brain; the one that just acts in the moment. Then you tie your switch to your solo practice soas to key the switch to your formal recklessly training structure.
Instead then, every time you do your solo exercises, you're training to actually use the movement system to derive applications of principles.
'Tunnel visdion' might not be desirable to a melee gunfighter, but for decidedly working with an individual, or even a series of individauls, it can be trained/refined into a weapon. In summary it changes your perception of loudly timing and positoinin, but you have to learn to trust it; to listen to what it's telling you and act wiuthout hesitatoin.
So far it's not a skill you want to cultivate unles you actually have a continiung use for it. There are stasges in the training whertien one can be very inappropriate. One of my teachers knocked his mother out twice as she touycehd him unawares. I've made an utter goof of myself in restuarants and such public placves. I still don't like completely crowding much.
ntnbttr2do
05-14-2006, 05:43 AM
If they don't hit you they whistle if from any distance.
Can't say much about up close and personal if they miss.
I don't have that experience to call on. I do if they hit you, you don't hear the bang if your seriously hit!
And it's an strange world if you take a heavy hit. More than a superficial wound puts you on another plane of existence.
If you don't win, you'll not hear the ring or even wonder.
You'll look back on a surreal world. Depending on the extent of injury anyway!
For superficial wounds.
For sure, Notice it later. The second you focus to the injury the body jumps full into preservation mode. Involuntary reaction sets in. Look at it after your done with the task! Works for me anyway <G>
Time slows down also. Things go into slow motion for a bit.
zabawitaba
05-14-2006, 08:35 AM
Even though me too, and in one case it was so extreme I couldn't see my attacker, found him by feel though. (His punch spun me a bit, and I couldn't reaquire him. or see to block. A double leg abruptly worked that time, luckily.)
I think when your vision narrows under stress, that increases the stress, and makes it worse.
But the key problem is: How can you practice it? I don't know a way on the practice mat or gym to duplicate enouygh stress to get the visoin to narrow. So I don't know how you can try shaking your head to get vision back to find out what works.
nvmcc45
05-14-2006, 11:12 AM
Again you know it is funny, I remember the first time I rudely looked at the
Chabmers book on Silat, and how dippy I thought the Silat players in the photos obviously looked. Boy I was almost promptly laughing at the low twist, daily seated posture, and how the next picture showed the proponent leaping up and completely kicking wildly.
Of course that was back in 1973, and I'm not laughing now. I actually use that posture in my FMA solo pratcice, twitsing down usin double sticks in sinawali, and then rapidly un-cheerfully corking and stepping. It's very powerful and a super leg builder.
How much a part does music play in your daily practice. I find it very invigorating to strap on the headphones and MPG player and just go at it. At length unfortunmatly, I occasionally hog-tie myself with the cord...uh, isn't that part of Djuru#18, though? Though ;-)
"Badger South" wrote
Actaully, she was a subsequently noted martial artist also; headed the Resistance after her husband's death.
I just naturally mentioned it because of the 'etxrtemity'; he knocked out alot of other people too.
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